If youre sprinting at speed, the Levo feels sticky and lazy in comparison to the drag-free EP8 motor. - A little more overrun on technical climbs would be swell This allows bike companies to engineer a single frame, while offering cheaper models with a 504Wh battery, and high-end models with a 630Wh battery. The newly shaped buttons on the EM800-L switch unit provide a nice tactile perch for your thumb to quickly flick between those settings. If you got it set to Eco and the motor is using half its power, you might get at least 4 hours if it sucks up only about 125W per hour. New batteries recently released by Shimano are available for EP8, including two 630Wh battery options, the external BT-E8016 and internal BT-E8036 battery. I have the EP8 on a Commencal Meta Power. In comparison, Shimano motors can be paired with third party batteries, and that opens up greater flexibility for bike designers (see the Orbea Rise and Pivot Shuttle for example). Maximum Torque This allows you to limit the maximum torque, with 10 levels of adjustment from 20 Nm to 85 Nm. Overall the tuning adjustments are quite noticeable, though wed always recommend only adjusting one parameter at a time to isolate its effect on the trail. This also allows brands to more neatly integrate the motor into their frame designs, Canyon having done a particularly swell job with the Spectral:ON. So when the new version is so much better Refinement is all relative. Let us know what those are so we can demand them! A bit like chain slap when you don't apply force on the pedals. I tested a few Merida bikes with Shimano motor and they have some bugs in first versions,quite annoying stupid things force you to reset the bike sometimes. BT-E8016 External Battery With 630Wh, you'll be able to ride further without having to stop and recharge. The Bosch motor produces the same 85Nm peak torque output as Shimano EP8, and it offers a similarly drag-free ride quality beyond the 25km/h cutoff due to the motor decoupling from the cranks. - Tuning options are simple and effective Its easy to modulate via how much pressure youre putting through the cranks and the power delivery is progressive, giving it a very natural feel as a result. Don't take things too seriously just get out there and enjoy whatever you own and have FUN! leftside; Nov 30, 2021; Replies 23 Views 4K . As it stands, you have to use the small button at the base of the display to manually scroll through additional pages just to see your cadence, estimated range and the time. Shimano's EP8, short for DU-EP800, features a higher maximum torque of 85Nm compared to the older E8000's 70Nm, topping it by an extra 21%. Our batteries are renowned for keeping you out on the trails and riding further. > Riders will feel a smoother cut off as they reach the maximum assist speed and then benefit from lighter pedaling without assistance. Across our range of E-MTBs, you'll find both 504 Wh and 630 Wh internal battery options with some models in our Torque:ON range including a dual battery option for long-lasting adventures that extend into and beyond golden hour. Concaved button-shape shifters make it easier to switch between Eco, Trail and Boost modes. As much as I want an emtb right now, I am waiting until the technology is perfected. And with brands such as Merida and Canyon making use of internal wiring through the handlebars, the whole arrangement is quite tidy. I haven't had the privelage to ride any bosch equiped bikes or other shimano bikes but this thing is so quiet I think it would be hard to find another ebike motor that is more silent. The freewheel is still in the (regular) rear hub so when you're not pedaling, nothing in the motor-bottombracket assembly should be moving, isn't it? It is MUCH less powerful, but there is no rattle, no weird cut off, no jerky pedal action. For the type of riding and trails I do, battery power is not an issue, in fact would look at a smaller battery and weight savings on my next rig. it's been quite awhile and still no fix . Its considerably bulkier than Shimano EP8, dominating the Levos frame profile while also putting limitations on rear wheel clearance. @tomdesoals: Ah, thanks I get it. COMPONENT 2 full laps on the Shore is a good day and have done 3 of those without charging in between (usually in trail mode with boost for a section or two). My take away besides the obviously pro/con talking points was the weight of the bike. Your own weight is really the one thing that effects the battery capacity together with tires and the ground surface. This BT-8036 battery only needs a 4mm hex key to be released from the frame for charging separately, which is unlike Bosch that requires a special key (potentially something else to lose/forget). Oh, how the humorous aspect of your comment has been missed. Generally on bikes we spend so little time braking that regeneration would be a waste of effort. You can display way more metrics on it too, and battery is usefully displayed as a percentage. While some frames will resonate more than others, the noise is otherwise normal, and it doesnt take long before your brain subconsciously ignores it. Same with brose 2.1 & their motor failures. The E-TUBE RIDE app, which turns a smart phone into a cycling computer, provides expanded information and adds ride recording and mapping features. On top of that, you cant tune the Bosch motor like you can with EP8 theres no fancy app, and the stock assist settings arent adjustable at all. What a misstep by Shimano to join Bosch in its failure. Shimanos experienced global mountain bike product development team made a ride-changing breakthrough with the new assist algorithm. Have had my Norco Range LVT with the EP8 for a week and have noticed the noise, maybe once? The downside for Bosch is that its display options leave a lot to be desired. Riders can save all of their settings as a profile in the E-TUBE PROJECT app and choose two of their favorite profiles to load onto the bike for easy access on the fly through the handlebar mounted display. EP8 is compatible with DEORE XT & DEORE with LINKGLIDE technology, in addition to current SHIMANO 12-speed drivetrains. if you success increase speed. Make it 100 mile range, and I'm in. Shimano's EP8 motor will be specced on a range of top brands 2021 eMTB's including the majority of Merida's ebike range which benefits from the extra performance of the EP8. Pretty clever! I have this motor. Santa Cruz's 2021 Bullit electric mountain bike is built around 170mm of VPP rear wheel travel and Shimano's EP-8 electric motor with an in-built 630Wh battery. I've never heard the rattling noise that has been posted in the early reviews - the motor is super quiet, so it looks to me like much ado about nothing. While the increased power certainly grabs most of the headlines, we reckon its the compact form of the Shimano EP8 drive unit that offers the greatest advantage over its competitors. Along with the EP8s magnesium casting, heat sinks and polished logos, it affords a classy look not an easy feat for an e-MTB. 2 bars left on the Shimano display. You can hear it in the workshop just by lifting the rear wheel and dropping it on the ground, where it sounds a bit like a loose pebble bouncing around inside a wooden box. Maybe in a next generation they can implement an optional solution analog to what we're already seeing f bicycle chains. I've had a go on ebikes and think they're fantastic and good fun. If thats the case for you, start at Level 5 and work your way down a notch at a time. Put on i9 Hydra hubs, annoying motor rattle sounds disappears. The Shimano EP8 user interface is similarly elegant in its design. Also the bikes will be heavy as f*ck with an 820Wh battery. Its clear why this motor is becoming popular with so many bike brands, given the flexibility it offers frame designers, particularly with the variety of battery options on offer. When they start looking (and weighing closer to regular trail bikes then I'll consider. The three EP8 bikes weve tested all have sub-440mm rear centre lengths, which is quite a bit shorter than the 471.5mm rear centre on the Giant Trance X E+ with its much bulkier Yamaha motor, for example. you should ride slow with a good cadence. I can concur with the range, it's not as good as I expected. Its almost as if the battery drains faster in that final 20%. Simply enjoy what you are riding and watch the world, I should say, e-bike world, pass you by, as they are here to stay and while they are not perfect they are probably the best and most exciting thing to happen to the bike industry in 50 years! Anyone having problems with the charger? So this one article, about this one e-bike, says to you that ALL e-bikes lack refinement and therefore aren't worthy of you gracing them with your holy ass? Bunny hops were absolutely a blast on this bike. Delivering a sleek design, the battery also charges quickly and retains its max capacity longer throughout its lifespan. Too hot to handle even. There are five levels of startup assistance available that can further tame the acceleration from a stop for relaxed city riding or apply more power from the get go when starting on steep mountain bike trails. What ever happened to grit?!?! More power, less weight, even more efficient and the biggest battery Shimano offer. The version I've been riding on was 17,8kg. Appreciate the level of detail in this article, good work. Still built around a block with 250W power outage under 36V, the maximum torque notably increases by more than 20% or 85N.m. But to give you some numbers, weve consistently achieved around 1,500m of climbing during our 30-50km test rides. All you guys "waiting" to get a ebike are blowing it..the bikes are refined trek rail no problems..going around the country slaying every trail I see chugging beer and laughing at all u haters.. believe me I guys will all be on one sooner than later. It is the most underrated comment ever on the pinkbike. Occasionally it can feel a little peakier compared to EP8, but for the most part both motors are easy to get used to within a few rides. However the motor operation itself is fabulous, smooth, powerful, feels natural when you ride, you can cover ground like crazy in this thing. It's a similar level of feeling to Gen. In addition to those weve tested, youll be able to find Shimano EP8 on the Santa Cruz Bullit & Heckler, Marin Alpine Trail E2, the Commencal Meta Power, YT Decoy,Pivot Shuttle and Mondraker Dusk. SM-CRE80-R. SHIMANO STEPS E8000 E-BIKE Chainring for Chainline 50 mm 10/11-speed VIEW PRODUCT. E5003 Cycling Computer Another element of the weight saving equation is the new Shimano EP8 motor. With EP8, the BOOST, TRAIL and ECO modes can be customized with ten different assist curves which control how quickly the power ramps up to match their effort. When youre at those 30-40km/h descending speeds, EP8 doesnt punish you for stamping on the pedals to build some extra speed in the lead-up to a jump or dropoff. . What makes me sad is seeing young people hop on the e bike train so that they can go on a longer ride or so that someone who is new to cycling can keep up with their friends who have been riding for years, all to perpetuate needless consumerism and a gross waste of resources. OSAKA, Japan (August 31, 2020) Its first mountain bike specific drive unit, SHIMANO STEPS DU- E8000 set the standard for real off road performance by preserving the chainstay length and Q-factor used on traditional mountain bikes and using an intelligent assist algorithm that prioritized a natural off-road riding experience. Did some rides on a scott e-genius 920(2020) and my biggest one I did was a 115 km with 2000 meters of ascent ,19 km average speed,all in the eco mode and riding some rocky terrain with some tarmac ,fire roads ,very mixed terrain ,and I did got impressed with the power and the range ,didnt got me so tired on the legs its most a cardio ,but dont put more power on them and no more battery capacity,cause it wil make them almost a dirt bike :-((. The versatile and powerful SHIMANO EP8 e-bike system can be found on a wide range of brands and models. Weve found the first two settings to be too weak for e-MTB use, though conversely the highest setting can feel a little too peaky for some riders. That Shimano response was pure gold. When riding identical bikes in my experience the lighter rider has more battery left even if he or she uses higher assist modes. This reduced the tendency for the front wheel to lift on really steep tech climbs. Its worth noting that Bosch motor is only compatible with Bosch battery options though. But overall EP8 offers more of a quieter and gentler hum than the whine of the E8000 motor, and its also quieter than the Bosch motor too.
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